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Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:10 am
by Ars_Nova_Chris
Ok, so in an effort to complete my Mamas and Papas related song collection, I'm basically down to this as far as studio recorded, officially released tracks go:

Does anyone have any specific info as to which songs have substantially different mixes on the 45's?

I already have a few of the mono single mixes and so I know this much so far...

Words of Love
Creeque Alley
Even If I Could
Free Advice

...all definitely have noticeably different mixes than they do on the stereo versions.

Also, I just got the mono Deliver LP and although I've only had a chance to listen to it once while I was busy with other things, I did notice that there are several songs that are different, especially the great harmony that's on the end of Twist and Shout in this mix. Free Advice on there seemed to be the same as the single version. I'll have to listen when I have more time and see what other differences there are...

Does anyone know if the other mono albums have any major differences, or is it just Deliver?

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:43 pm
by Alby
Hi,
I have the second LP in mono and the songs that are the same as the single mixes are:
I saw her again (the instrumental's cut and longer fade) and Even if I could (some parts without the backing vocals and the horn's more upfront then).

In the mono release of the first LP the only difference of the mono mixes are the vocals and instruments sometimes
being further or more upfront.

See you,

Albert.

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:38 am
by davidasix
Which tracks are different album tracks or different single versions (mono or stereo) from the many tracks on the Mamas and Papas Complete Anthology (Import from UK)?

Cue me in on where to find the extra tracks you think I should pop onto my iPod. I have almost every CD released, but would be fine buying from online sources.

Dave

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:25 pm
by shureman
Creeque Alley, my favorite M & P tune, has at least 3 incarnations. The common stereo one features added reverb & no repeat of the last line, " becoming a reality " (all you can hear is " ty " ); some album CDs, such as the Anthology 2 CD set and All the Leaves are Brown, features the same production as the stereo one except you can hear the repeat of " becoming a reality ". The 45 rpm mono hit version has the repeat of the last line plus extra piano harmonies and lots of horns ! Only one or two hard-to-find CDs contain this version. An audio acquaintance of mine synched the mono 45 and stereo versions to come up with the closest thing to a true stereo 45 experience...simply wonderful !!

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:55 pm
by Ars_Nova_Chris
There's also the Sullivan version of Creeque Alley :) The group sang live over the studio recording and at some points they sang additional harmony parts not on any of the other three versions. You can hear it really well near the beginning of the song, on the line "...tryin' to get a fish on the line." On the album version all male vocals move back up to the third of the chord (a D# note over the tonic B7 chord). On Sullivan, John stayed on the B note from the previous chord while Denny went back up to the normal D#, creating a really wonderful, thick harmony that I kinda wish they had done on the recording! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe9rBM0Oxxw#t=0m47

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:51 pm
by Ars_Nova_Chris
A few more...

"Glad to Be Unhappy" - one of the guys' "yeah"s is missing

"Free Advice" - there are at least two different versions of this you might find on "Dedicated" 45's - one is the same as the mono LP mix, the other is a unique mix, different from both the stereo and the mono LP

"Dancing Bear" has the beginning and the ending cut

The Halifax Three's "Man Who Wouldn't Sing Along with Mitch" single - 'Mitch' is an alternate mix, b-side "Come Down the Mountain Katie Daly" is a completely different recording than the version on the first LP, this one recorded the same day as 'Mitch'.

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:49 pm
by cherbette
Are there any Cass solo singles that differ from the LP versions? Any true mono mixes (not fold-downs) of her solo material?

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:53 pm
by cherbette
Ars_Nova_Chris wrote:"Free Advice" - there are at least two different versions of this you might find on "Dedicated" 45's - one is the same as the mono LP mix, the other is a unique mix, different from both the stereo and the mono LP


What is the running time/catalog number of the "Dedicated to The One I Love" 45 that is b/w the UNIQUE "Free Advice"? I'd like to seek out an RCA 7" with the unique "Free Advice" if possible since it would sound better than an U.S. Dunhill copy.

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:49 am
by Ars_Nova_Chris
cherbette wrote:
Ars_Nova_Chris wrote:"Free Advice" - there are at least two different versions of this you might find on "Dedicated" 45's - one is the same as the mono LP mix, the other is a unique mix, different from both the stereo and the mono LP


What is the running time/catalog number of the "Dedicated to The One I Love" 45 that is b/w the UNIQUE "Free Advice"? I'd like to seek out an RCA 7" with the unique "Free Advice" if possible since it would sound better than an U.S. Dunhill copy.


There's a thread I posted over at the Hoffman forums about a year ago with a buncha info and high-res pics, here's the link...
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=187858&highlight=dedicated+free+advice

Re: Alternate single mixes?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:30 pm
by cherbette
Hmmm...hopefully I can locate one. It seems that they are almost identical in appearance so it may not be a simple task.